AgWellness Episode 2: Interview with Jordan Dallin

Josh Dallin 0:11
Hello, everybody, and welcome to our second episode of our ag wellness Podcast. I'm Josh.

Jake Hadfield 0:18
I'm Jake.

Josh Dallin 0:19
And today we are privileged to have a guest with us, Jordan Dallin, who comes from Bear River City, happens to be my little brother. And he's one that we talked about and featured on our last episode. And we are excited to get Jordan's thoughts and some inside information from him on this podcast. And we hope that the things that you hear today that Jordan shares with us with some questions that we've previously thought about that we ask that we will ask him today, we hope that they might be some things that resound with individuals that you know, have that struggle with mental health problems, or even on a personal level. And so, Jordan, thanks so much for being here. We're gonna go ahead, and we're gonna just start with a few questions. And let Jordan answer those for us. And, again, we really appreciate Jordans honesty, and his vulnerability and willingness to share these things with us on this type of topic. So Jordan, listeners heard a little bit about your story in the first episode, but we want to hear more about your experience. What were some of the first mental health symptoms that you can remember that you experience? And what were your thoughts at the time?

Jordan Dallin 1:14
So I just like to say thanks for bringing me on, you know, first of all, going through these questions made me think of, kind of my journey, you know, with depression, because it kind of is a journey. So when the first thing that came to mind, you know, like, when I first started experiencing symptoms, I was probably 16 or 17 years old. I didn't count it as symptoms, I didn't, I didn't have depression is what I told myself. The reason is, is I never deemed anyone that was successful, have depression or have excuses or ever talk about that. So it was wrong. But I am, in truthful, to me, somebody with depression was somebody with an excuse, somebody that, uh, you know, kind of just that was a scapegoat was for being lazy, or not getting it done. And so, I, I just hid the symptoms, you know, I, the symptoms early on, probably I was I was, you know, I had a lot of friends and Student Council and the whole nine yards and football team, and I was the captain at Boxelder. And I probably was the most alone. But surrounded by a lot of people. That was, that's the way to explain it is. But I ignored it until I was about 19 years old. That was when I first had anxiety, I had depression about 16. And when until when I was 19, that was when I had my first panic attack ever. And I couldn't sleep for about like 20 days or so. And my view on depression didn't change. Until I met a man during that process, where he kind of took me under his wing. He for those of you that are golfers, the Callaway driver, Big Bertha, he created that. So he was a very wealthy, successful man. And he showed me this pill he takes every morning, called his happy pill. That was were kind of planted a seed and I thought, man, maybe depression is is real. Maybe Maybe that's going on. But up until that point, to be honest with you, I thought it was I thought it was just made up. I thought it was excuse wasn't until I got to the I don't know, later in my life that I really realized that it's real.

Jake Hadfield 4:30
And I think that's crucial. I really think that's how a lot of people feel about it. It's kind of like the well I feel a little off but I'm just gonna keep trucking through keep going through and it's kind of one of those hard things to really, really understand when you're going through it even sometimes to know that you're going through those symptoms. And so thank you, Jordan for sharing that. As many of you know if you've listened to our first episode, Josh shared this Jordan's story a little bit and talked about Jordan was experiencing depression and thoughts of suicide. And so during this time when people start to feel this way, Jordan, a lot of times what they tend to do is isolate themselves. It's kind of like what you said, you were surrounded by people, but you felt completely alone. But during this time, you actually kind of went out and reached out to your family and tell them how you were feeling, which can be a hard thing to do, what led you to kind of go do that?

Jordan Dallin 5:23
So So to give people a timeline, that was probably... So this shows you how long I I hid everything, because that was, that was when I was 24 years old. I shared the earlier symptoms, you know, 16, 17, then I got anxiety at 20. Right? 19, 20. And then, you know, whatever those years were, what led me to it is, I couldn't go on anymore. I mean, that's, that's the truth. It was, you know, the reality is, I wasn't living, I was surviving my body, my mind and everything hurt, I, the only thing keeping me alive. And the truth is, is my wife. Suicide is the most selfish thing an individual can do. The pain doesn't go away, you transfer that pain, to my brother, to my wife. And I'm, I'm the coward in a sense, if I did that, because I'm the one, you know, finding the relief and the pain. And so that's what kept me alive. But it got to the point where I didn't know if I keep going any more. And I was more than willing to do anything I could, you know, to, to try to get better. And I think that's a misconception, too, is that people just, you know, they. And the fact of the matter is, and we'll talk more about it, the you know, the resources, right, but there's not too many. And, and so you kind of lose hope. The other thing, yes, there too, is how did you feel, you know, after you shared it. I didn't feel any better. I felt I felt good. Because I didn't get to put on a front no more. I didn't get to, I didn't get to pretend or felt like I had to pretend to smile, or that everything was okay. I guess around my family. So So in a sense, then, you know, I felt a little better. But but for me, you know, people don't like to talk on that dark side, I guess of suicide. I mean, I was I didn't want to live anymore. I want I wanted to die. And I think that needs to be shared more. Because I think a lot of people think that they're too far gone, that they you know, if that makes sense, like people think that, that maybe, you know, I have it worse than others, you know, my and they get in that that thing, and then that often leads them to suicide, you know, versus if we were more open about it. I think people would, you know, hey, here's my journey. This is where I was the darkest point that I was at, because I was at that I was I was one night away, you know, from not being here. And you wake up every morning fighting the thoughts of you know, it's not it's not like you, you sit down and think, man, how am I going to kill myself that's just floods your brain all day long. Because because you want out. And I just don't think enough people, I guess talk about it. So that people don't know, like, there's a lot that goes through this. But it gets better. And the point that I guess the positive here is everything is temporary. The feeling of is temporary, it's gonna pass right. So that that that needs to be shared more. But But mostly, I reached out to my dad and brother, they're very proactive people and and so I was just trying anything to do anybody that would help me because I didn't have really any any other choice. But

Josh Dallin 9:28
so Thanks, Jordan. And, you know, I've shared in the first podcast how the trainings and and opportunities that were made available to me and I selfishly admitted this thought, well, I don't ever need this. Because as Jordan mentioned, he hid this. I mean, he's my little brother, he lives down the road. We do things together often. And yet it was it was hidden. And so receiving that training, I think helped me a little bit To help you I mean, would, wouldn't you agree? And I and I use the example of, and I'm not a professional by any means, but at least poor dad, you know, he was trying his best. But he remember I kept telling him, No, Dad, this is not what he needs, he needs this right? What would you recommend for people that that either do struggle or don't struggle to do so that they can help people in your situation that way?

Jordan Dallin 10:27
So one of the things is like, to get to go off kind of our Dad, our Dad is, you know, the best he wants, you know, loves the world for us, and he do anything for us. He's a fixer, he wants to fix the problem. And this is kind of what I was sharing with them before this podcast is sometimes being there is more important than solving the problem. You're not going to have the answers, doctors don't have the answers. If we're being honest, they, they, they have resources, you know, and they have methods to try it, but there's not a one fix all to depression, there's a majority, you know, even when you find the solution, they still got to try to find you know, how to how to fix it. And so most of it would be listening and being there rather than solving the problem. And, and then, majority of the time, it would be just to have them just to listen to have them kind of get it out. A lot of people with depression, their problem and especially in your I know, your guys's centered to Ag right, so lonely, isolated, is the brain is a powerful thing, and it will tell a story in your head. And sometimes when that story of depression, for example, you could be the most caring individual or whatever Josh said, I was hiding it, you know, he probably didn't think, you know, I was smiling. By the way, which we didn't share life was going really good for me on the outside, you know, ever, you know, so no one would have known. But you could be the most caring individual, but the, the brain will tell you how, you know, how much of a piece of crap you are. And if you don't talk to people, you start believing that, you know, right, so sometimes just letting them talk to you about how they feel if they're willing. Is, is the best thing there is not having a response. Not, you know, but just letting them tell you and then kind of working through it with them.

Josh Dallin 12:42
And I would say because you are strong enough to come to dad and I it like you said you don't have to put that front on anymore. And I know, I know now, boy Jordans not having a good day. And Jordan, there will be times I stop off at his house or I see him at my mom and dad's wherever it is. And I can say how are you doing today? And Jordan knows what I'm asking him. You know, how are you mentally? How are you? You know, and again, I hope he knows that that's me saying love you? How are you let me know if there's something that you need. But it's not just oh, hey, how you doing? Oh, good, great, you know, it's a different thing. And and I guess another question, Jordan, you've elaborated on this just a little bit. But while mental health conditions can't be fixed, we know that different combinations of therapy and medications can help people manage these conditions and improve their symptoms and their overall quality of life. Would you share with us what are some of the things that continue to help you?

Jordan Dallin 13:46
Yeah, so the biggest biggest thing you know, as I was thinking about this is managing your overall health you know, eating right exercising, get good sleep and on a schedule. Now get on a schedule, that's the biggest thing with depression because you a lot of you're either going to oversleep or under sleep, usually with depression. And if you don't get on a schedule, you're gonna it's gonna be terrible. Now that being said, when people tell you that when you're depressed that's the last thing you're going to want to hear. I'll just be straight up about that. You're just gonna think it's a blanket statement and it's the last thing you're going to want to do is go work out or you know or or eat something you know or or overeat you know, it depends on who you are. Some people don't eat some people eat too much. But but your health is the biggest thing and then next and this might be more centered to me because I'm but I'm a lot of people with depression or this I'm I'm very, very hard on myself. So, sometimes, it's being okay with not being okay. And that's taken me a long time. or being okay to take a day or, you know, or stuff like that, I mean, long, long term that's not good, right? You got to you got to take action, you got to do stuff, but but to not be so hard on yourself. And then the other stuff is, which I don't, I think the main thing would be to reach out to the individuals that kind of know. So through that, through my journey, I've found the doctors, you know, that have helped me, therapy works for some people, doesn't work for others. But but that kind of stuff that kind of, you know, helps helps you kind of stay on a schedule, talk about it with people being around people that you love. My wife's been my savior with that. But anyways, I, that's, it's, it's hard though sometimes, there's, like I said, when you're, I kind of call it like, it's kind of like riding the wave, some days are better than others, it can be a day to day thing. So some days when you wake up, you don't got enough strength to do it. But one of the things I did was some days I could kind of tell it was a chemical imbalance, which we're kind of getting more into that there's different types of depression, they're seasonal, there's, there's, you know, medical, there's a chemical imbalance, I could tell like when I woke up that day that this was going to be a harder day than others. So sometimes, I just plan for tomorrow, I'd make tomorrow better. Because today sucked . And that kind of gave me that little hope, I guess, to to continue. But it's just some of the things I've learned.

Jake Hadfield 17:02
Well, after telling us all this, one of the things that we see, as we see that there is a lot of stigma around mental health, and they're often aren't. And you mentioned this earlier, that there aren't adequate resources to kind of handle those challenges, especially for people in rural areas. So this is something we are trying to improve at a national as well as a local level. What do you want people in our ag communities to know about mental health and the process for reaching out to get support?

Jordan Dallin 17:33
So I mean, the biggest thing is is like when you so there's there's steps here, right? There's the you first have it in you and you fight it yourself, and then you can't fight no more. So then you reach out, hopefully right to to somebody you trust, and and they're gonna find what what's, let me ask you guys, I mean, you guys have been vocal of not knowing, you know, as much right? You're, you're trying to help and everything, but like, what, what is? What would be your resource? What would be your first thing you go? Without the training, I guess? Forget the training you guys have now? What would your suggestion be doctor? Right?

Jake Hadfield 18:09
Yeah. Yeah, Doctor, therapists, Before our training, right?

Jordan Dallin 18:14
So what people don't realize is, those are good, adequate resources. The problem is, is you got to work here, you don't want to go there. They don't want to go there to begin with. So then they get there, they're, you know, strong enough to go. So now we're going to the doctor. Okay. You get a little bit of hope. Whether you want to admit it or not. When you have depression, like maybe this, you know, you start talking yourself into maybe this guy will fix it. Maybe this thing you know, will help. And then you get there. And first doctor, you guys see in the medical world, it's not the specialist. Right? It's the family practice, Doctor. They're oftentimes not adequately suited for mental health. You got to find the medical, you got to find a family doctor that specializes in mental health. Because in general, they're just gonna write you. Zoloft, by the way is the first one. That's the starter to antidepressant. Here's Zoloft. Let's see you in you know three months, right? Okay, so I'm gonna go take this in and they carry on your way you don't feel like they really heard you. They don't whatever, and then it doesn't work. Now you're worse off than when you when you started because now you got your hopes up a little bit. You got excited. And now you just got plunged back down to the ground and now you have no hope because this guy I went to the doctor, right. First therapist I went to my mom didn't know where to go. My mom didn't know where to take me. She took me to my my sister's therapist who was very good with divorces. And he told me that it was okay to be sad. I asked him, "Why the hell's my mom paying you?" Okay, like that it's okay to be sad like why, you know, which is true, I get, you know what he's saying, but point is is 15 Doctors later and this is why I bring down this road to any individuals out there that are going through this process, it took me 15 doctors to find the guy, and I gave up a lot in the middle of all that, to find the one doctor that, that put his hand on my shoulder and said, We're gonna figure this out Jordan. You know, and, and he, you know, was able to give me something that did help me. And, and that's, that's what I've tell, because that's going to be your first point of contact as therapy doctors will, you got to keep going and keep finding the ones that know about it. Because there's not a lot of resources, you know, and, and I'm, and I'll be more bold, I guess probably these guys to say there isn't because I freakin tried, you know like to personally you know, when I'm struggling to try to find it. And, and so that that would be what I would say and keep going to the doctors keep keep finding the ones they're going to do it, keep trying the different medications, if that's the route, if you feel like your depression is a chemical thing. And, and don't quit because I did it and it took me four years to that during that three year period I gave up, I thought that this is just my brains broken. This is my fight that I got to live with, I guess. And and you know, and it wasn't until that next doctor that that it kind of things started getting a little better. So.

Josh Dallin 21:54
So, Jordan, when you talk about 15 doctors, this has been a part of your whole journey, right? This was this was from 16 years old, all the way up until now and ebbs and flows. What would you recommend that people try to do to maybe avoid having to go down that long and strenuous path that you did? Is there a connection that they might be able to make sooner is there somewhere where especially our ag focused producers that don't have all the time in the world to be able to go into the you know, to go into 15 various doctors because they have cattle to raise or crops to plant or harvest? Or whatever it might be? Where would you recommend since you've been on this journey that they that they try to start?

Jordan Dallin 22:45
Well, that's there isn't to be truthful, and that's why we're starting it. That's that's I was telling you about my foundation a little bit ago called 40 seconds that we're trying to do, that's that's literally what we're trying to create. We're trying to create a network of doctors that we stamp approval on. So that the mom that has the kid that has it that doesn't know or the guy you know, can can go to that website or list and and know that these are the approved doctors. Another thing, another problem you're gonna find is the ones that are good, they don't take people anymore. Because they have a lot of patients already. And and so that's the problem, too, is the ones that are good, are full. And and so there's that battle of trying to get into them. But to give you an answer until we create that it would be to reach out, you know, you can reach out to me I know, I know certain doctors have been in it, obviously I know the ones that are good and the ones that aren't. But that's where I would start if there's nothing is is to try to find people that have fought the journey and have visited these individuals. Because there are doctors out there I don't want to be negative they do know and are there to help and they can really kind of help you. But I just don't want people to lose hope when they go to the one that doesn't. Because you know, but but there there isn't tell you the truth. That's why we're trying to try to create that.

Josh Dallin 24:21
Well and that makes absolute sense. And I think that the AgWellness team is aware of that and working towards on our farm stress websites and things like that, to find people like Jordan that have been there that can make those recommendations so that we can have that connection. And you know, for temporary purposes. On that farm stress website. We do have professionals that are available by phone to help guide in a temporary manner to help solve those things. But again, a valid point that this is this is a problem that needs to be resound fully fixed, that that we can have the right resource has to go to at that point.

Jake Hadfield 25:02
Well, and I think it's important to understand that just like what Jordan said, it's just reiterated to me that sometimes this can be a journey that it does take time. And sometimes it takes finding the right people to help you. And and we want to make sure we as a as a society make that better that we try and ease that transition. But at times this journey can be hard and can be difficult.

Josh Dallin 25:26
This is just This is just an example. Okay, I've told you my my journey, you know, plus, whatever years 2019, the Huntsman's donated some, I'd have to look up the number, but I think it was over. I can't remember something million dollar facility in Salt Lake all dedicated to mental health, they do everything they test, you know, the, from very, you know, severe to, you know, individuals, this this big, massive facility. Well, my wife found that out on Google, so I went to my doctor, and they didn't know it existed. You know, that's, that's what we're dealing with, right. And so if we can try to, you know, not only talk about it, but also make the resources that are there known, you know, to everybody. But it's, it's, it's a fight it really is. Well, Jordan, we appreciate the time that you spent with us today on on our podcast, we've already gotten some really good responses from you. And we appreciate your openness about this subject and, and hope that our listeners can relate to the things that you've mentioned, because it's hard for us who have not experienced this firsthand to so adequately describe what you've been able to do today. Is there anything else that you'd like to share with our listeners?

Jordan Dallin 26:52
Yeah, so there's a, I'll just, I'll just read a quote here, it says depression lies. It tells you you've always felt this way. And you always will. But you haven't, and you won't. Depression is the inability to construct a future. That's why people kill themselves. Imagine a person's brain with no future. That's, that's where your brain goes, when you have depression, because it turns a million miles an hour. And you start believing that it's never going to get better. The reality is, it does. Reality is there's better days common, right. But when you're in that world, or in that mindset, during those days, it's very hard to see through, you know, the clouds to see the future. And so that's one of the things I'd like to say is that it's temporary. I'm over here talking about it, like I'm I still go through it every day. I still have, you know, but I'm but I'm learning the keys, I guess, like we were talking earlier, that kind of make it more attainable, you know, to live with it. There's, there's that that I'd like to know. And then and then one of the other things, as part of part of like the foundation we had, we would meet with individuals. And there was one instance where there was a parent in the kid had depression, and she was sitting there, you know, parents saying, "Yeah, I just tell her, you know, look at all the friends you have, okay, look at the great things you got, look at the, you know, you should be happy or you know, be thankful or look at the positive" what people don't realize is, the person with depression sees that, they know that they know that they have life good. And they know that there's others that have it worse than them, but they're still sad. And so it makes it harder and worse, you know, to deal with that. And so one of the things that I kind of mentioned to that parent and, and to see the girl's face light up because somebody put that in words for the first time of how she felt. And then also to explain that and this is what a depressed mind versus a non depressed mind has is you're trying to combat it with logic. Healthy logical brain is trying to solve the problem of somebody that doesn't have a logical or healthy brain and it's never gonna work. And so that's that's why even though the love is there, you know, the, it doesn't sometimes, you know, amount to anything. So the most important thing is to, to just be there for them. And then lastly is just keep freaking going. I'll break down here, but I told myself I'd be open about suicide, because it's the one positive thing I have with depression is I can be a voice. I have, I've fought suicide for last three or four years. And I'm still here. And the days get better. And there's people that do love you, even though your brains going to tell you that no one does. And so that would be my last thing as I sit here and bawl, but just don't give up. You keep fighting. You do have more fight in ya. And sometimes you can't listen to your own self. Because it's not you. You know, it's, it's a it's a it's something going on. And there's people and resources that can help you fix it so.

Josh Dallin 31:12
Well, we want to thank you, Jordan, for taking the time to share with us your story. And you know, your message is very powerful. And we commend you for being that voice and for being an advocate to the solution. And and we feel like this podcast is just one of many ways that your voice can be heard and, and your story can be told, and I'm certain it will relate to those that are listening. Before we end here, we want to make sure that we mentioned that there will be resources listed in the show notes at the end of our episode. And we're excited to introduce a new component that will be a part of our podcast. Jake, you want to introduce that for us?

Jake Hadfield 31:58
Yeah, I'd be glad to. So after each one of these podcasts series, each one of these episodes, we're actually going to have a mental health minute. And so luckily, it'll be a reoccurring part of the podcast. You'll see it after every episode, it will be presented to you by Ty Aller, a therapist and researcher who will provide some insight from the mental health field on this interview, and so he'll be able to provide a little bit more information, potentially some more resources, and some other ways that we can continue to help with this issue.

Josh Dallin 32:30
We sure appreciate everybody listening to our episode number two of our AgWellness podcast. We'll see you next time.

Ty Aller 32:41
Hello, my name is Dr. Ty Aller and I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist working at the Institute for Disability at Utah State University. Today, we heard a powerful story about an individual's journey with their own mental health. There were a few things that stuck out to me about this story that I'd like to try to address as someone that spent most of their career working with communities and individuals on ways to live more purposeful lives, even when mental health concerns may arise.

The first thing I would like to talk about is stigma. Today, we heard a story when it was shared. They said man successful people can't have mental health concerns. This type of story is one that's honestly very familiar with me. And I hear often in therapy. And it can get in the way of people living very purposeful lives because they assume that if I have a mental health concern, I'm not going to be able to live the life that I want. This type of story is one that's very common. And honestly one that's not super useful. As someone that has actually received therapy myself and has had a diagnosable mental health issue since I was a young kiddo. I can say firsthand, wow, we can learn to live with mental health concerns and still live very purposeful lives that are productive, meaningful and filled with joy, love, sadness, despair, all of the feelings. That leads me to my second point, which is that mental health concerns or the range of emotions that come with these concerns are actually a very normal piece of the human experience. It's when these feelings get in the way of the life that we're trying to live. That resources like therapy, medications, group support, exercise diet can really be used to improve If someone's functioning so they can get back on track and live that life that they want. The hard thing is, is trying to figure out when someone might benefit from resources, or even trying to determine if that person might be experiencing a mental health issue.

That's why our team has worked really hard to develop a course called the mental health awareness and advocacy for ag curriculums. This curriculum or course, teaches folks how to identify mental health issues, locate resources in their community that we know are effective at treating these issues. And learn the skills to effectively respond to someone that might be having a mental health concern in a way that's both empathetic, and directive to getting them the help that they may need. This course can be taken online, through our link that's provided in the description. And it's a self paced course that will teach you the skills to really help you develop more knowledge and confidence to be able to respond to the mental health needs of those around you. It's going to walk you through things like learning to identify when someone might be experiencing depression, or learning about suicide risk, and how that suicide is often someone's natural way of trying to handle the pain they are experiencing, and may not actually be a selfish act, but maybe a way they're knowing how to manage or regulate the pain they're experiencing. And if they were able to get connected to an effective resource, they might actually be able to decrease that pain and in turn, decrease the suicidal thoughts that they are having. The course will also help you walk through knowing what providers like a therapist, a marriage and family therapist, a psychologist, or maybe even a medical doctor, like your primary care physician may be able to help you with what specific mental health issues you're occurring. We'll also be open and candid with you that we don't always have a very clear answer. And medical doctors may not know the exact right thing to do. But that this is common because humans lives are complicated. And not every solution is going to work for every person.

That's why we're find so much reward in helping people in our agricultural communities. Learn how to sift through this complicated process when our loved ones are struggling, because it can feel really overwhelming, and frankly, at times scary. So as we conclude today, I'd like to leave you with maybe three easy steps, that if you've encountered someone that you think might be experiencing a mental health issue, you can lean back on until you get a little bit more education, or maybe find a little bit more help. The first step is to simply stop and show some cares. I can't tell you how many times people I work with in therapy, or even at my job here at the university will say Ty, I appreciated that you stopped and you saw me for a minute. That's really all I needed to feel like I could keep going. And what I take this to mean is you hold space for someone, you slow down, you let the work be there. But you say hey, I'm going to care for a minute and hear you out. This can really have powerful effects for people's mental well being as we know, social support is the number one predictor of positive mental health outcomes in life. Second one is get familiar with what resources your community has to offer. It's kind of like thinking your house is on fire at times and you don't know where the closest fire hydrant is. That's going to be pretty scary trying to put that fire out. But if you know the resources in your community, you're going to be much more likely to get someone help when they need it most. The third piece is to stay consistent. I can't tell you how often people will tell me that when they experience mental health concerns, their social support disappears, or they'll receive messages like you're too much I can't handle. While it's important to set effective boundaries that maintain what you can and can't do with someone that's experiencing a mental health concern. Ditching out on them or abandoning the friendship because they're hard things are going through can actually cause more distress for the person. So finding ways to stay consistent within your own boundaries is incredibly important. This, too can be stressful, which is why we created our other course that focuses on skills that teaches you how to handle stress, which we'll link in the description below. Beyond that, I hope you found today's story useful and you join us for our next episode on our podcast. We're looking forward to talk to you soon.

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If you are experiencing stress, mental health concerns, or suicidal thoughts, or if you know someone who is, please contact these resources. As always, if it is an emergency, dial 911.

Crisis lines that are available are:

Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255 Crisis Text Line Text HOME to 741741

Crisis Response Network 1-800-203-CARE (2273)

SafeUT 833-372-3388 or download their app to use the chat feature

If you need help finding a mental health provider, here are some ways to get started:

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