AgWellness Episode 13: Interview with Justin Clawson

Josh Dallin 00:10
Hello, everyone and welcome to episode 13 of the Ag wellness Podcast. I'm Josh Dallin and I'm joined by my colleague Jake Hadfield. And we are excited to have our special guest today Mr. Justin Clawson. Justin is an ag extension faculty from cash County. And we are just really excited to be able to have you with us. Welcome, Justin. Thank you. We are specifically excited to have you visit with us and elaborate on some things in the realm of mental health. Some things that you've seen in your professional career and personal lives and, and we're again, just grateful for your time. So, to start out, if you wouldn't mind maybe giving our listeners a brief background and of yourself and your relationship to the agricultural industry.

Justin Clawson 01:09
Okay, so I grew up in Cache Valley. My grandparents both ran dairy farms in Hyrum and Paradise. But I was like the oldest. Well, on my mom's side, I'm the oldest grandchild and so I've spent a lot of time on the farm. Playing around my early memories are hauling hay, tip and bales over to get them ready to go up the side delivery for the track and my dad and grandpa and uncles would load them. If I got done fast enough, I could sit on my mom's lap and drive the truck. But then I started showing dairy cattle
when I turned a and then in high school I want really wanted to show pigs. So, I showed pigs up until I aged out I was on a shooting sports team and for age. In fact, I went on LDS mission to Nebraska, Kansas and Iowa and got to see a lot of different agriculture. And also, in high school, I started working for the University on a small grains breeding program. And I did that up until a year ago. So, I just kind of matriculate into the program. They said it never happened. And pretty soon I found myself the technician breeding wheat and barley for the state of Utah. And I always thought about being a Cache County Ag or not even Cache County, but just an ag agent in general. I applied for several positions, but it just never seemed to work out. And so, I just stayed as a research technician for a long time. 17 years. Plus, when you add High School, it's like 31 years last year. So, I have a great experience there in agriculture and got to travel the state working with producers on wheat and barley. So

Jake Hadfield 02:57
Yeah, if anyone has a question about wheat or barley, Justin's the guy to go to, in my opinion. So anyway, he has a lot of experience in that way. Just kind of moving on into our next question. Me and you have actually talked before this podcast and we kind of talked a little bit about your personal journey with you know, mental health and different implications of that. Would you share that with us and just kind of talk to us about your personal journey and kind of how you not necessarily got involved with mental health or different things. But just what was the specific journey you took?

Justin Clawson 03:35
Man, and it's a long journey. So, in third grade, I remember being tested for a disability. They didn't know exactly what it was. He's talking. So, I was born in 75. So, you're talking fifth grade, you're talking 80s. And I remember going in, and then the testing me. And the poor lady that was testing me, she laid the book down across from me. And we're going along, we're almost done testing. And all sudden, she gives me this look, and she goes, are you reading my book? And I'm like, maybe. And that's when she realized I could read upside down and backwards. And so, we had to start the testing all over again.Because she and this time she took the book up. So, the first time they tested me, I came, I didn't qualify for anything magically. But then she was like, well, you're gonna read upside down or backwards. I'm like, yeah, and then so then they started wondering if it was dyslexia I had. Even in sixth grade, there was a teacher that said, you’ve got to have dyslexia, because what would happen is lowercase B's and DS. I couldn't remember which way they faced and then saws and was I would get them mixed up. Fact I couldn't remember which hand was my right and left and early on. And so, I started wearing a watch on my right-hand side. Remember that this was my right hand and but they never could figure it out because they said we'll do the letters and words jump around on the page and like, no, they're perfectly fine. They don't move or anything. It just turned out that I just didn't care to
remember which way they were facing. It wasn't important to me. And then when I got into college, they never could figure out what was going on. But they said, Well, you qualify for this. So, it's just a lot of hard work and trial. But I got into college, and I just about graduating. And I remember sitting down with a friend of mine, who now I worked with JD Gunnel, in the county office here. And he started talking about things he remembered, I'm like, Man, I don't remember what you do something is wrong with me. And so, I went in and started doing some tests, they call it a psychoanalysis. And even on the psychoanalysis, right at the bottom, they couldn't figure out and it says, possibly ADD. And so, then I went to another place called the back then was called the CPD the Center for People with Disabilities. And they were gonna get ready to do this really big test in which I'd already done and I said, Here's my paperwork. And they went, Wow, you're a really great candidate for ADD. And that's the first time my senior year and in college as an undergraduate, I found out that I had, I was a really good candidate for attention deficit - it wasn't hyperactivity. I was just a daydreamer. And I sit there in class, and then that's when all the pieces start fitting in that, okay, I'm not really hyperactive, I know I can, I can control that part. I can be really hyper if I want to. But I daydream in class. And that's what so I zone out. People will say something to me. And I'm like, Oh, wait, what do you say? And I have to have them repeat it. And so, this is the constant battle of trying to stay focused. And they're like, well, adult, add doesn't go to adulthood. But then that's in college, they're saying, No, this is this will continue on. In fact, the doctor wanted to go talk with the guy that gave me the psychoanalysis. So, I had to, I had to sign a waiver. And this is how bad it can be is my signature changes depending on the mood I'm in. So my signatures didn't compare. So the doctors couldn't talk and that so they spent like, I don't know how long they spent trying to convince the guy was the same person to be actually able to, to communicate between the two doctors that yeah, I'm the same person even though my signatures are different. And I don't write in cursive either I print everything. But even the printing can be almost a cursive style. But most of the time I print and that's actually one of the signs of add is that you print everything cursive. And I've really liked cursive in the back of the day, but I found it easier just to print everything. So that's so when I started graduate school. I was like, I started trying to do coping things. And then I realized, you know, when I went into CPD, they were like, you know, there's some medication that you can take. And so I was like, Well, okay, well, let's see what happens. So I tell people, you're supposed to experiment with drugs and call it drying. I have prescription for it. And so I started trying all the different forms of medication, there's the Adderall. There's a methylphenidate and then there was at the time, there was a new one called Strattera that was supposed to be a non-stimulant. And so that was a ride in itself right there. The Adderall made me really on edge. My anxiety was like really high. And Concerta really made me because it only lasted 24 hours in a day. So you take a I should say 12 Because you start you take it like at 7am and it wears off by seven and I call that my Cinderella hour because you can just feel it wearing off. But on Concerta in the morning I was really like just wiped out I'd have to take the medicine first thing and take a shower and wait for that medicine to kick in the Strattera is longer last 24 hours so it builds up in your system and that one seemed to work the best for me. The bad experience with Adderall for me was like I said my frustration level is right there on the surface and I was on a low dose. I remember one time we had it was back when we had answering machines and I pressed the button to hear the message and the message just playing and I pushed stop and it didn't stop and I pushed up again it didn't stop and I got just frustrated. I picked up the answering machine because it was small I could pick up with one hand and I just slammed it down on the nightstand and shattered it My wife was like, well, this medication is not for you. And so I was like, Yeah, apparently not. And so when you're trying different medications, it's important to listen to your spouse and your parents to find out like, what makes it when you're taking the medication. Are you still yourself? And so I realize really quick Adderall is off the table for me. And I really stuck with Concerta for a long time, because at the time insurance really wouldn't cover it at a cheaper rate. It was like $100 or more a month. And I was like, Well, I'm not willing to spend that much to be somewhat normal. So I, I stuck with Concerta for a long time. And then recently just switched back to Strattera because that was my best one by best choice for me. And so yeah, it was a long ride right through there, of experimenting with different drugs. And, and I started seeing even because I was in school, and I was kind of in a study. So they want to know what experiences I had. And so I would write down notes and say, Well, I felt like this and because even with ADD, you can be very obsessive compulsive about things. And so I really want this to work. I saw my grades jump a letter grade when I started taking the medication. But the medication only gets you halfway, you still have to learn all these coping skills, that to get you through life. Like, for example, I found out by doing the that psychoanalysis test that one of them, they give you as a digit span, most people have a digit span of eight numbers they can remember. So if I gave you a single digit, like 1468, you can repeat that back up to eight, most people can remember eight numbers, my digit span is four. So for me to get up to eight, I pair numbers. And still, instead of remembering single digits, I'm remember I'm remembering 2040 65, to get up to eight. And so that's how I've learned to cope with my short digit span, if you will. So I started just working on coping skills, I got extra time on exams. And my best exam I ever did, I was in a room. It was the mailroom and for the planet soils climate department. And I'm sitting there taking the test and lady comes in to use the printer and, and the printer breaks. And I'm like, Well, I got extra time on this, I sit down and fix the printer and go back. But just that ability to walk away from something and come back because you can hyper focus with ADD to the point that you can't, you're looking at a tiny dot when you're not really looking at the big picture of something. And so I still find that today, if I'm writing an article, I will start like a week or two ahead of time, I'll write down all my thoughts, get the general outline and walk away from it for a week. And I'll still be on my mind, I know where I want to go with the article, or something. But that walking away, I'll come back and look at and like man who wrote this, and I'll find all the mistakes in there. But if I'm editing it while I'm editing it, I can't see it. I just miss everything. And so I've learned these coping skills of like, start early, walk away, come back to it. And then I can see what I'm looking at. Or if I take a break, and then come back to it like a few hours later, it'll look completely different to me, because my mind has reset for that. So yeah, there's a lot of different things you can do to cope with ADD, just always keep in mind that the drugs are only a key, they're not the final solution and everything is going to be cured. And then you still like I said with ADD you can be coupled with something else. So you can have you can have dyslexia and ADD you can have OCD and ADD, man, if you look at my desk, it's a mess. But you go on my car and things have to be a certain way. And so or my favorite one as a kid, I've loved music. So I
have lots of CDs. Well I had to be in alphabetical order by rock and country. And I'd walk in I'm like, Oh, this is out of place. This one's not in the right place. And so but my room was a mess other than my CDs. So that's like living with ADD. The other thing with when you start taking medication is I'd forget things so like leaving to go to work in the morning. You'd be like you leave and you get to work. You're like Oh, I forgot to bring this I forgot to bring this and the medication made it so I may have walked out of the house and put things my current like, Oh, I forgot this, it made it so that forgetfulness was shorter. I didn't remember when I got to work that I forgot something at home that I was going to bring that day. And so it made it. So I didn't have to go back as many times to pick up something and get frustrated. So hopefully I've answered your question, Jake.

Josh Dallin 15:22
I think that that was a perfect answer to the question, and I really appreciate you describing those things. So personally, and so realistically. And I think that that's gonna be super helpful to our listeners that to, you know, maybe diagnosed with something similar, maybe not, you know, to understand that, hey, here's some, here's some things and this is this may be what it is. Now, oftentimes, you know, we talk about personal journeys, like we asked you, you know, tell us about this, and what did it what does it like, personally, but we wanted to kind of talk to you also, you mentioned it just a little bit how your family kind of helped to check out keep you in check with medications and things like that. But tell us about what was going on in your family at the time? And how did the news of this diagnosis impact your family? And, you know, how does how does coping with the, with the, you know, having the tools and the things that you've learned? And the all of the things, the medications, all these things that are involved at how does that affect your family overall?

Justin Clawson 16:31
Yeah, it was an interesting time at that time in our family. I had we I kind of got out the way amongst a family that I had ADD. And they were like, well, what's ADD and so there's this communication that started. And they're like, maybe I have it, and also at the same time. This was when my second cousin died by suicide. And I and so now you're looking I'm not hyper, but I'm really focused on things. And I'm, and I'm really doing a lot of personal searching. And I got wondering, so one of the other things I found with ADD, is when I was younger, I would obsess about things. So let's say, I'd be driving down the road in a car. And I remember something that I did maybe five years ago, that I felt embarrassed about or ashamed, or, like, Man, why did I do that, and I get in a cold sweat. And I'd still about that for 30 minutes or longer, maybe even an hour, I really get depressed. And that's when I also realized in this journey, is that the ADD mind can, it can dig things way back in your mind. I can't remember what I had for lunch maybe the day before. So I tease people about that. But seriously, in my job, my other. My other supervisor, he came to me one day and he goes, I know this was a year ago, but you can you remember what we did on this day? And I tell him, like, give me a little bit. And I'll come back. And I'll tell you when I when it hits me. And he'd be like, okay, and walk away. And about an hour later, I'd come in his office. And I said, Okay, this is what we did on this day. And I'd run through it. And he's like, how did you do that. And I'm like, it's in the filing cabinet in my mind somewhere. But I got to dig through all the files. And but I seriously can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday or two days ago. But my long term, retrieval, I can retrieve things on my mind from long time ago. But that's also bad if you've done if something really bothers you. And so I started realizing that this is my mind playing tricks on me, if you will. And so, as I that's why it's time about medication that gets you halfway, well, I started realizing my mind will wander and bring up things. And so I can shut that down a lot faster. So I don't have little bouts of depression. But a lot of my cousins when they started realizing, well, yeah, I'm having these thoughts. And I said, Yeah, you've got to push them out of your mind. And so the start of this communication between cousins, that it's okay to have these thoughts, and you just need to reach out to people. And then at first when I did the calculation for my family, I thought, well, it's not that bad. When I took all my cousins and said, Yeah, it's not that bad. We've lost that many cousins. But then I realized, well, they're all males. Well, I only have six males on my side, and I'm like, wow, that's a third of my cousins have died by suicide. And so that's when my dad when was other brothers and said, Hey, this number is high. And so then everybody started talking amongst each other. And we kind of made this pact of like, okay, we need to have a more open communication about our mental health and how we're feeling. And it really changed the, the dynamics of the family in a lot of ways, because one of the other side effects, side effects of ADD is we have big dreams. We have this vision of like, oh, I want this to happen. And if this happens, it's gonna be great. So great. I'm going to work up to this point. And when you get there, and it doesn't happen, everything just comes crashing down. And you just get in a big, why didn't this work and you just sink into this funk, and you just can't get out of it. It also, because of add in that journey, I realized it's not completely devastating that this dream didn't happen. Maybe it just wasn't ready just yet, or I didn't work hard enough, or I lost focus. And so I think some of our relatives started seeing more success. Like my, my, my youngest brother, started, he was in high school, because there's 15 years between our ages. And he was going through high school. And he's
like, I can't remember I'm having the same thing. So he started on the medication. He's now a mechanical engineer at ATK. So having ADD isn't like a, like a death sentence, if you will, you just got to learn how to use it to your benefit, because there's things that the ADD mind can see differently than most people like, I noticed that I can see connections between processes quicker than most people or visual or if I'm doing mechanics, I can see how things fit together. And so I use that to my strength, and to make me more successful at work. And so, I now my, my youngest or my oldest son, I started noticing his he's got it too. I noticed I noticed he was struggling with a lot of the same things in kindergarten. But the teachers were like, No, we don't want to talk about that just yet. We want it he'll grow out of it. And he just didn't grow out of it. He got about fifth grade. And I was working with him. I was like, Braden, I'm like this is this is how I cope. So I was teaching him all my coping skills as best I could. But this is the also limitation. The coping skills only got him so far. And this where I might get a little emotional. So my oldest son, in about fifth grade, came in, he's like, Dad, I'm done. He goes, I'm really depressed. He goes, I'm just not like the other kids. And I was like, okay, the coping skills have only gotten in so far as time for the medication. And so we went to the doctor, and I said, Okay, it's time. And that was the thing as a with our doctor at the time, he was like, No, I'm just going to, I'm not going to put him just on a medication. I said, I'm fine with that. But we're going to work on coping skills up until this point, and then we're gonna have to switch to medication. And when that time hit, it was a natural fit. And we started putting on medication, and he started seeing success. But we also start talking about more mental health with him. Because we realized as a family that is still there. And so it's okay to tell him, Hey, if you're depressed, and you're in your, you're really struggling with life, it's okay to come and talk to mom and dad. And so his perspective on life has really turned around. He doesn't feel he knows he still struggles. And he's like, ah, Dad, I just need help. I just need it. And so there's much more open communication amongst the family, about coping with mental health. And so we're really grateful for that. So hopefully, that answers that question for you, Josh.

Jake Hadfield 24:21
Well, and I think that's perfect, Justin, I mean, thank you for I know, that's a personal, like really close to the heart there. But thank you for sharing that. And that's one of the things you keep bringing up that I think is just critical as you keep talking about how, and we've heard this as we've interviewed others on this podcast, but how you know, everyone's looking for a silver bullet in their lives, that one thing that solves everything and, you know, a lot of times it's multiple things working together, you know, you talk
about the coping mechanisms, as well as the medication and trying to use all the resources you have in a sense and being able to bring those together. So anyway, thank you for sharing that. That is really I know, it's a close to heart story before Yeah, and everything. So now kind of moving this Oh, sorry. No

Justin Clawson 25:13
Yeah, just You're welcome. I mean, I find that just talking with people and letting them know what you're going through, will open doors, if you will, because then they're like, Oh, I'm struggling too - tell me more. And then we start helping each other.

Jake Hadfield 25:32
Yeah. And Josh and I have seen that, you know, as you share more stories, I do think that really, it brings things out that people are willing to talk about. Now, kind of go into more of a community level talking about this, you know, we've talked mainly about ADHD and ADHD kind of today. So talking about it in more of a general sense across the ag community. And a lot of ways we've seen, you know, there are issues that that communities dealing with, with mental health. Why do you think that some of these issues like what are the causes of some of these issues? And what would you want people to know, specifically?

Justin Clawson 26:10
Well, I remember one time, because my family and when I was talking about so my family, so my family started going to the same doctor, and they started seeing, like, ADD is hereditary. So that was the first key that I realized, okay, my son's gonna have this I gotta watch. So I was being aware that it's coming, because it is passed down from generation. And so I realized, okay, so the classes came from Sweden, and they were farmers, they've always been farmers. And so when they came to Utah, they worked on farms, they've always been in agriculture. Well, when you This is how I look at it, because my doctor, he says, Well, why do you think we're seeing more cases right now? Of, of ADD, or mental health issues? And I said, Well, if you think about what America was based on your time, the immigrants that came here, they had big dreams, they had goals, they had this vision of something to make their life better. And so that's what brought them here. So that fits into that add mentality of big dreams, big desires, they have a bigger vision of what's going to happen. Sometimes it fails, sometimes it doesn't. But there's that drive. I mean, that's what got us to the moon, that's what's everything in life for the United States is, is based on somebody that is willing to push what we know and explore. So, and that fits right in with ADD. And I think that's what a lot of farmers are is, is we have this, we want this sense of freedom, we want this. We have these big dreams, we want to be on but we also want to be in control. And so we live on that edge of excitement. And sometimes it comes crashing down around us because something we knew that we tried, didn't work, and we're and then it costs us. But the big thing is picking yourself back up and say okay, why didn't this work? And analyzing a little more and realizing that, okay, did I fail? Or did I just not see the full vision of what could have happened here and try it again. And maybe it just needs a little tweak to get to work. But I remember sitting with my doctor and saying I think this is what's happening, and also society's getting more. We want people to be more pigeon holed like this, you're going to be specifically over this. And the Add mind likes a lot of different things. I look back on my life, for instance, and I got involved a lot of things. Just because that's where my interests were, I wanted to play music. I wanted to be an FFA I want to try wrestling I wanted to I was involved in scouts, and there was a lot of things that just held my fascination. So I was always on the move. But that's what makes America America we have all these different interests. We keep ourselves busy. And so I think that's why we're seeing more in agriculture is just because that's our upbringing. is and so but everything's getting pigeonholed again, you think back in the day, a lot of farms. They it was a clearinghouse of everything. Everybody had beef cattle everybody had pigs,
chickens, dairy, everything was on a farm and then the farm moved to Okay, now. We're just doing dairy. We're just doing chickens. We're just doing sheep. And so in the early days, a lot of farmers had to be a jack of all trades. And that's what I find myself as a jack of all trades and a lot of things I, I know a little about a lot of things for some reason, just because my interest drives me in different areas. Like, I'd like changing my own brakes on cars and change my own oil, and spark plugs because I like to tear
things apart and put them back together. finishing the job can be a struggle, I have to force myself to finish that set job. I like building things. But finishing and once again, is really tough. And that's what I think farmers are, they liked that. That's what drives them. So it's not a bad thing, though, because that's where a lot of creativity comes from. So that's, I don't think sometimes we think that add is a bad thing or mental health, but no, it can be some of those people are very creative. And so we can use that
talent to our benefit and society to jump.

Josh Dallin 31:03
Well Justin, we just can't thank you enough for sharing all this personal information that I think is so valuable, and, you know, has resonated I mean, personally for me with, you know, thinking about people that are in my family that I know that that may struggle with some similar things. And, again, we really appreciate you being an ambassador to talk about these types of things. Because Jake mentioned, you know, talking about them is what really helps to, to help others and to break some stigmas that oftentimes surround mental health. The last question that that we have for you is and you've shared some tools, and you've shared you know, about medication and you've shared, you know, some things that you've been able to learn and, and utilize. But are there any other specific resources that you'd like to share information that you'd like to share with others who may be struggling and maybe a process of what you'd recommend that they do to get the help that they need? Yeah.

Justin Clawson 32:14
When I was first in the journey, you feel like you're alone. And you're like, how am I going to get through this and your doctor is trying to help you. But I started devouring a lot of things. And he, he sent me to two websites. And one of them was Chad, so CHADD.org So CHADD, it was an excellent site. But the one I found the most helpful for me was one called one, ADDplace.com. And on there, it gives you a list of you can even take a little test on there and common things that add people struggle with one of the best resources on there is a list of people that are famous or successful, that struggle with ADD or potentially add like Einstein’s on there, Tom Cruise is on there, because sometimes we we'd like to play different roles. And so I think that's what makes him a really good actor, and you look at some things he does, it's all over the place. But that's a really great site, it gave me a lot of hope that, oh, I can be successful. If these guys can do it, I can be successful. And then another one was a book that my doctors told me to, to purchase on Amazon, it was called Driven to Distraction, recognizing and coping with attention deficit disorder. And I read through that book, and I mark it up and I'd have tabs in it. Because he goes through these different scenarios and different responses to ADD. So half people are really hyperactive that are even and even if I remember this, right, the author was found out he had attention deficit. So he puts his own life story in there, like going through college and, and into graduate school. And he starts talking about his coping skills in that book. And so that gave me a lot of help to I've realized, okay, you can get through this, and you can be successful. It's not like, like I said, it oh, I'm always saying this, it's not a death sentence. It's actually you can use it to your benefit and be really successful in your field. But you got to learn how to cope and how to make it work for you. And, and so having sold resources, these, those two websites, especially the one really opened my eyes, to the possibilities of like, okay, I can do this. And the book helped a lot too. So those are my favorite ones, especially that they're just the website and that book and then I ordered I found another one that really
helped my son, because we moved schools when he was really struggling with his medication. And then talked about dealing with friends that were ADD. And I can't remember the name of that book right now. But that one was a really excellent one for him. Because add minds, they sometimes have a hard
time making really good connections with other people. And so this book really helped him, make connections with friends and be successful in that arena. Because sometimes ADD minds can pick up people's reactions better, or sometimes they don't at all, like somebody will be giving body language
and they'll miss it completely. And so some of those books really helped me out.

Josh Dallin 35:53
We really appreciate you sharing that information. And, you know, I love how you talked about the celebrities. And you know, as Jake mentioned, you're really a celebrity in your own right in extension with the amazing things that you're able to accomplish and do. And, you know, I think back at one of my favorite courses that I took in my undergraduate, and it actually was the only reason I took it is because it was a breadth or depth requirement that I needed, and it fit my schedule. But it ended up being it was
it was called Disability and the citizen, and it was part of the sped 1010 course. And one of the things that I'll never forget about that course, is that they talked about how every single one of us has our own disabilities, right, some of them are more apparent than others, and some of them are hidden, and  some of them are diagnosed, and some of them aren't. But one of the things that I love that you shared is that, you know, oftentimes when we receive the tools and the help that we need, our disabilities are
not going to be the defining label of what we are and what we can become. And I just think that, you know, I can't thank you enough. And I'm sure Jake feels the same way about how open you been and share this, this information with us these resources, we know that it's very personal, but we hope that those that are listening can learn from your experiences and your successes and, and we just can't thank you enough for joining us.

Justin Clawson 37:37
You're welcome. I appreciate the opportunity to talk about and visit with you about these topics because it, it can be rough getting through it. But on the other side, it can be really rewarding and then talking with people and being open about it. Just the some of the stories I've heard from people that have struggled with very similar things or mental health, their strengths and banding together if you will. So because you can learn from each other like Oh, I remember I had an employee that was struggling
with mental health. And we connected on a lot of levels because he's like, Sunday's, I just can't cope today. And I was like, Okay, what do you need? How can I help you be successful today? And so, yeah, it just it takes a village to help everybody. I think

Josh Dallin 38:33
We couldn't agree more. And we hope and again, we really appreciate you being with us. We hope that our ag wellness program will continue to gather individuals and create that community within our rural and agricultural communities. And, again, we just can't thank you enough. So thanks for being with us. Again, we'd like to thank Justin Clawson USU extension ag faculty and cash County for being our special guest today. This is episode 13 of our ag wellness podcast. We look forward to seeing you next
time. On behalf of Jake Hadfield. I'm Josh Dallin. Have a great rest of your day and again we look forward to you joining us for episode 14.

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Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255 Crisis Text Line Text HOME to 741741

Crisis Response Network 1-800-203-CARE (2273)

SafeUT 833-372-3388 or download their app to use the chat feature

If you need help finding a mental health provider, here are some ways to get started:
Contact the person’s health insurance provider and ask about mental health professionals that are within the network.

Psychology Today Service Finder: On this website, you can search for therapists, psychiatrists, treatment centers and support groups in your area. www.psychologytoday.com/us

Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA)
• Here, you can find general information about mental health services in your area.
• findtreatment.samhsa.gov/   

Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA)
• At this website, you can find health centers that offer more affordable options for people that do not have health insurance.
• https://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
• This website can help if you have questions about insurance coverage for mental health.
• https://www.hhs.gov/programs/topic-sites/mental-health-parity/mental-health-and-addiction-insurance-help/index.html  

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